UN talks: Rich nations must make big emission cuts

Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
China doesn't make products and market them in the US. US companies, design a product, go to China, buy/rent machines and a factory, get their product made for peanuts, and have them shipped to America to be sold at competative prices.

That's not competitive. Making something for twenty cents then jacking the price up is greed.
 
How dare the UN say that the countries who have by far produced and still do the greatest amount of greenhouse gases need to lead the way on reducing emissions.For example the US is 4 % of worlds population but consumes more than 30% of all the oil production in the world.

If I was a leader in china my attitude would be go fuck yourselves if you think we are going to be forced to not do just as you folks did and want a better life and more energy consumption and let you make us feel gulity about it somehow while YOU do basically nothing about your consumption.China has a population more than 4 times that of the US and yet we produce much more of the gases.Its like the rich telling the poor you need to cut back and live on less while we just keep on living the high life and ruining it for everyone.

If we don't lead on it and set an example that we are willing to do a lot to conserve and use less energy nobody will.

I know why some don't like the UN ,the truth is inconvient.
 
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I said people should be able to live comfortably on a $22 an hour wage.

I never said it would be a set wage or wages would be controlled.

I actually think you're on to something here WillE. Creating an "affordable" U.S. where most people choose to live on 45K a year, and what it means to our present economy is veeeery promising....

Not only would a U.S. where 45k is liveable eliminate McMansions and upscale frivolities, it would wipe out several corporations and tear down the consumerist focus to our present Capitalist economy.:thumbsup:

((The U.S. would look a whole lot it did back in 1870, with people living in small houses and farming. Or, it would look a lot like the Soviet Union, circa 1950, with people living in small houses and farming.))

Nothin' to do but farm and read the Bible......
 

Facetious

Moderated
Trees & plants THRIVE on Cº2 and in turn give us back oxygen so that we can thrive...what's the problem ?

The UN shall have no legal controlling authority over Americans, the hypocritical multi millionaire socialist bastids they are with their expensive suits, jewelry, gas guzzlin SUVs / limos & personal jet craft.
You know, it's gettin personal - I despise greedy wealthy internationalist assholes who go about undermining the working middle class American with their fraudulent, radical / theoretical environmental schemes. :hammer:

Have I mentioned that I detest the .........:D :1orglaugh

But Seriously, If the enviros were serious about Cº2, they would immediately work to get nukes on line for zero Cº2 emissions, but nooo, they want to weasel their way into profitable energy brokerage by charging working Americans exorbitant prices for the consumption of filthy dirty radioactive energy produced from coal fired power plants !

Liars Cheats Thieves !

:ak47:

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Yes, this is the UN. All the nations who have strove, sacrificed, and become successful should be penalized for this success in order to make up for the world's lackey nations.
 
If production of all products sold in the US were exclusively manufactured in the US, to avoid manufacturing abroad, the prices won't drop, they'll go up. You have to source materials, manufacture, package, deliver all products, and the rest, while paying a fair (minimum) wage to all workers in the chain. That will inevitably increase prices the consumer will have to pay.

If that's what has to happen then so be it. It's better than exploitation. Something that's wrong doesn't suddenly become the right thing to do just because it's very advantageous for a select group of people. Having moral and ethical standards might bring hardship, it might even ruin some things and bring them down, but when the phoenix that rises from the ashes of what is burned is stronger than the one that proceeded it, it will be worth with it.
 

PlasmaTwa2

The Second-Hottest Man in my Mother's Basement
Dear United Nations,

Fuck you. It is -40 outside right now. Let the world warm up. Fuck you, fuck your mothers, and fuck your treaty.

Sincerly,
A Canadian
 
People should be able to live comfortably on $22 an hour if prices drop on some items.

But I like making more than $22 an hour!!! And it's none of your business!! Actually it's more like $20 an hour, but anyway, I want to make more than $22 an hour, maybe next pay raise, if there is one with this economy :(
 
I despise greedy wealthy internationalist assholes who go about undermining the working middle class American with their fraudulent, radical / theoretical environmental schemes. :hammer:

Conservatives pining away for the middle class, with a tear streaming down their faces and a twinkle in their eye just rings hollow at this point. So many issues and votes offered up and cast by fiscal and social conservatives have harmed the middle class....the internationalist assholes have nothing on the damage wreaked upon the middle class by Corporate America and anyone labeling him/herself as a fiscal conservative....:fight: Conservative policies envision a 2 class system--the Upper class and the lower class to serve them. The middle class only gets in the way...:dunno:

The financial health and future of America rests soley on whether Democrats will repair American capitalism with the necessary regulation needed to grow the economy. The more we listen to fiscal conservatives the greater the economy crashes basically...:wave2:
 
Conservatives pining away for the middle class, with a tear streaming down their faces and a twinkle in their eye just rings hollow at this point. So many issues and votes offered up and cast by fiscal and social conservatives have harmed the middle class....the internationalist assholes have nothing on the damage wreaked upon the middle class by Corporate America and anyone labeling him/herself as a fiscal conservative....:fight: Conservative policies envision a 2 class system--the Upper class and the lower class to serve them. The middle class only gets in the way...:dunno:

The financial health and future of America rests soley on whether Democrats will repair American capitalism with the necessary regulation needed to grow the economy. The more we listen to fiscal conservatives the greater the economy crashes basically...:wave2:

Aren't John Kerry, John Edwards and San Fran Nan the three most wealthy politicians in America? :uohs:
 
John Edwards is not a politician anymore. He's a shamed coward. John Kerry married into wealth. Nancy Pelosi married into wealth but comes from a very connected Baltimore family. There are plenty of Democrats who know how to grow a strong economy. John Kerry isn't at the top of my list at the moment to do that.
 
John Edwards is not a politician anymore. He's a shamed coward. John Kerry married into wealth. Nancy Pelosi married into wealth but comes from a very connected Baltimore family. There are plenty of Democrats who know how to grow a strong economy. John Kerry isn't at the top of my list at the moment to do that.

^post 34 titsrock^ you might have been posting when I posted it.
 

Facetious

Moderated
Conservatives pining away for the middle class, with a tear streaming down their faces and a twinkle in their eye just rings hollow at this point. So many issues and votes offered up and cast by fiscal and social conservatives have harmed the middle class....the internationalist assholes have nothing on the damage wreaked upon the middle class by Corporate America and anyone labeling him/herself as a fiscal conservative....:fight: Conservative policies envision a 2 class system--the Upper class and the lower class to serve them. The middle class only gets in the way...:dunno:

The financial health and future of America rests soley on whether Democrats will repair American capitalism with the necessary regulation needed to grow the economy. The more we listen to fiscal conservatives the greater the economy crashes basically...:wave2:

The way you reference this country outside of democratic politics, I would have thought that you would be applauding the republicans for rolling out the red carpet for their destruction of the economy e.g. undermining capitalism, no ?
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Myth - Conservatives run Wall Street and were solely responsible for the recent / current economy crash in part because :


Hank Paulson along with his buddies at Goldman Sachs, not to mention a one notorious Bernard Madeoff, surely weren't republicans. In fact, the most wealthy capitalists in America are registered democrats, Buffett, Gates, Soros, Ellison (I'm getting nauseated I'd better stop) so....WADR The financial health and future of America is not resting solely on whether democrats repair American capitalism. :shocked:

and don't forget :

Alinsky wrote : "True revolutionaries do not flaunt their radicalism, they cut their hair, put on suits and infiltrate the system from within . . .'' :tongue:
If you're in denial about Alinsky's broad reach, you ought to read up about the character.
 
The way you reference this country outside of democratic politics, I would have thought that you would be applauding the republicans for rolling out the red carpet for their destruction of the economy e.g. undermining capitalism, no ?
f_mcc8xrq9m_edd9437.gif


Myth - Conservatives run Wall Street and were solely responsible for the recent / current economy crash in part because :


Hank Paulson along with his buddies at Goldman Sachs, not to mention a one notorious Bernard Madeoff, surely weren't republicans. In fact, the most wealthy capitalists in America are registered democrats, Buffett, Gates, Soros, Ellison (I'm getting nauseated I'd better stop) so....WADR The financial health and future of America is not resting solely on whether democrats repair American capitalism. :shocked:

and don't forget :

Alinsky wrote : "True revolutionaries do not flaunt their radicalism, they cut their hair, put on suits and infiltrate the system from within . . .'' :tongue:
If you're in denial about Alinsky's broad reach, you ought to read up about the character.



Face,


I seem to remember an article not long ago (which I can't pinpoint where I saw it at this point) about charitable donations as broken down by political party, and "conservatives" (repubs, or, otherwise religious folk) gave more than their liberal (dem) counterparts. I'd have to dig:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...By+Political+Party+&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

But I'm pretty certain conservatives give far more to the needy. Maybe Michael Moore could learn something from those fascist Nazis? :D


EDIT: Found one:

In Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism (Basic Books), Arthur C. Brooks finds that religious conservatives are far more charitable than secular liberals, and that those who support the idea that government should redistribute income are among the least likely to dig into their own wallets to help others.

Some of his findings have been touched on elsewhere by other scholars, but Mr. Brooks, a professor of public administration at Syracuse University, breaks new ground in amassing information from 15 sets of data in a slim 184-page book (not including the appendix) that he proudly describes as "a polemic."

"If liberals persist in their antipathy to religion," Mr. Brooks writes, "the Democrats will become not only the party of secularism, but also the party of uncharity."

...

His initial research for Who Really Cares revealed that religion played a far more significant role in giving than he had previously believed. In 2000, religious people gave about three and a half times as much as secular people — $2,210 versus $642. And even when religious giving is excluded from the numbers, Mr. Brooks found, religious people still give $88 more per year to nonreligious charities.

He writes that religious people are more likely than the nonreligious to volunteer for secular charitable activities, give blood, and return money when they are accidentally given too much change.

"There is not one measurably significant way I have ever found in which religious people are not more charitable than nonreligious people," Mr. Brooks says. "The fact is, if it weren't for religious people in your community, the PTA would shut down."


"It was not surprising to me that the lil ol' farmer in South Dakota outgave people in San Francisco," Mr. Johnson says. "But I think to the everyday citizen, this might strike them as counterintuitive."

http://philanthropy.com/free/articles/v19/i04/04001101.htm

:rofl:
 

maildude

Postal Paranoiac
Who didn't know that the Copenhagen talks would boil down to the rich vs. the poor? And what's the point? Even if countries agree to cut GGEs, it's not enforceable. This is window dressing.
 

Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
I actually think you're on to something here WillE.

I sure am. :hatsoff:

Nothin' to do but farm and read the Bible......

Nothing wrong with that.

The UN shall have no legal controlling authority over Americans, the hypocritical multi millionaire socialist bastids they are with their expensive suits, jewelry, gas guzzlin SUVs / limos & personal jet craft.
You know, it's gettin personal - I despise greedy wealthy internationalist assholes who go about undermining the working middle class American with their fraudulent, radical / theoretical environmental schemes. :hammer:

Have I mentioned that I detest the .........:D :1orglaugh

That's correct, no to the UN! ;)

Why do all the "spread the wealth" advocates always have a lot of money?

Spread your wealth, not their wealth. Oh. and destory the middle class.

As always. :nono:


Aren't John Kerry, John Edwards and San Fran Nan the three most wealthy politicians in America? :uohs:

50 Richest Members of Congress

The 50 Richest Members of Congress/ Article



PlasmaTwa2, I like it colder. I only like warm weather sometimes.
 
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